Curse

Inde · May 17, 2007, 04:27 PM // 16:27

Any insult to an individual or the community as a whole will be deleted. Please keep your posts on topic and contributing.

Ouchie · May 17, 2007, 04:48 PM // 16:48

District 1 of the three major cities is simply the place to trade and why make another one - why add a district to trade in when the players have designated one?

I can't say anything about other Countries as I play off of American servers, so if it is different somewhere please let me know.

When you go to LA - how often to you end up in American District 1 without asking to go there - 99% of the time you end up in dist. 3 or higher and have to switch districts to get to district 1.

I do agree the Trade chat should be used, but even so the only reason to go to district 1 is to sell or buy something.

If I am meeting people somewhere I always say highest district so we can all find eachother easily

If I have something to sell I go to District 1 (I hate selling by the way - I only do it when my gold reserves are getting low)

If I want to buy something I go to district 1 and watch what people are selling. I don't use WTB (I did a few times and found the same results as watching what people have) I just travel between the 3 major cities to see what is being offered.

Outside District 1, however, is a different story , or even in smaller towns and outposts, in those areas things should be strict. All chat should never be used and spamming is just silly.

The problem is most people don't ever visit a fan site and never read these posts or check what is for sale or list what they have for sale, and they never will. They don't even know there is an issue.

Patrick Smit · May 17, 2007, 05:10 PM // 17:10

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Originally Posted by arcanemacabre

Patrick, while I agree with you, and I have no problem with action against spammers, the main issue is beyond simple "break the rules - now pay the price". The issue is having a rule in place, that has never been enforced with a ban, then all of a sudden start banning without warning.

Think of it like this. It is against the law (at least in America) to jaywalk. You can technically be given a ticket and fined for it. Well, most cities pretty much ignore this law. Let's say all of a sudden, the mayor of your city tells police to start enforcing it in full - ticket everyone who jaywalks! This is never announced to anyone.

Can they do it? Sure, well within the law. I ask you, how do you think the public would react? Quite upset, I would think. Not sure what would happen, but I guarantee everyone would be upset, no doubt. This is a similar situation, if it is indeed mods playing seek and destroy.

Have been there, and although used to jaywalking in the Netherlands where it is condoned as well (although the exact rules are different i guess), I usually lived up to the rules in the states, as I don't know how they react towards it. I didn't see too much jaywalking in Boston and San Fransisco, so I go with the flow. This brings us back to spamming, people indeed go with the flow, and somehow there should be an initiative to stop it if it exceeds acceptable limits.

Starting an unannounced action against violators maybe somewhat crude as an action and I agree with that, but action need be taken. Maybe it would have been better to announce it via the login of the game, but best would be with the introduction of an improved trade system, either simple as an international trade district (most likely), or more complex like an auction house (least likely).

Bryant Again · May 17, 2007, 05:56 PM // 17:56

Actually, now that I think about it, having an international trade outpost would be a really bad idea. The spam would be endless, and your eyes wouldn't be able to keep up with the text. You'd also have a pretty hard time clicking on the name of a person who's selling something you want.

Vahn Roi · May 17, 2007, 05:58 PM // 17:58

I have to side with the spammers, which is saying a lot considering I have had my local and trade chat turned off for almost six months to escape them, 31 characters is not enough

Patrick Smit · May 17, 2007, 06:04 PM // 18:04

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

Actually, now that I think about it, having an international trade outpost would be a really bad idea. The spam would be endless, and your eyes wouldn't be able to keep up with the text. You'd also have a pretty hard time clicking on the name of a person who's selling something you want.

I agree that the scroll speed may be very fast, however I also thought of this problem, and was thinking that using filters (same as the trade, general or alliance chat) u could limit the amount of information you have to sift through.

Adding a command, like "/runto character name" could let you easily find that target.

Automated messages advertising your wares could also lighten the task of the seller.

Whatever the problem, there can always be though of solutions.

dragonofinfinity · May 17, 2007, 06:15 PM // 18:15

im tierd of having to spam in the main cities with messages to people to use the trade channel insted of normal. if you were spamming normal with things that should have been in trade, you deserve to get a temporary ban. THE TRADE CHANNEL IS THERE FOR A REASON!

Meo Yeong · May 17, 2007, 11:56 PM // 23:56

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Originally Posted by Patrick Smit

Adding a command, like "/runto character name" could let you easily find that target.

Whatever the problem, there can always be though of solutions.

1. highlight players name in chat box
2. hit ctrl + c
3. Paste name using ctrl + v into add member to group
4. hit + sign to add
5. click on players name
6. hit trade

Takes all of like 2 seconds, only downfall is if they in a full group.

Be surprised how many players don't know this and it saves alot of time. No more alt and looking around and every time a player asks me "where are you?" I teach them that.

Smile Like Umean It · May 18, 2007, 12:02 AM // 00:02

A little note, only the left ctrl button works, not both.

HzzB · May 18, 2007, 12:19 AM // 00:19

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Originally Posted by PyrAnkh

Is this new? ...O_O

IMHO killing spamers is a GOOD JOB for ANet. TNANKS!!!

Tannim · May 18, 2007, 12:27 AM // 00:27

Getting temp banned for spamming seems kinda light. We have a usable trade channel and a party search function for trading. There is really no excuse for trading nor spamming in the general channel .... this is great news if ANet stepped up and decide to enforce their own rules.

Best news I heard in a long time.

Theus · May 18, 2007, 12:41 AM // 00:41

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Originally Posted by HzzB

IMHO killing spamers is a GOOD JOB for ANet. TNANKS!!!

Yeah.Because Anet has no other issues to be adressed to.

Bots..Hardmode...HA...none of these problems actually exist!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tannim

Getting temp banned for spamming seems kinda light. We have a usable trade channel and a party search function for trading. There is really no excuse for trading nor spamming in the general channel .... this is great news if ANet stepped up and decide to enforce their own rules.

Best news I heard in a long time.

Yay for ignorance.

Tannim · May 18, 2007, 12:44 AM // 00:44

Which came first, Hardmode or spamming children? Think about that one :P

Heh, you can celebrate your ignorance all you like

We'll celebrate it with you ...

Theus · May 18, 2007, 12:51 AM // 00:51

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Originally Posted by Tannim

Which came first, Hardmode or spamming children? Think about that one :P

Heh, you can celebrate your ignorance all you like

We'll celebrate it with you ...

Incredible.Ignorant of ones Ignorance.

fenix · May 18, 2007, 12:54 AM // 00:54

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Originally Posted by Tannim

Getting temp banned for spamming seems kinda light. We have a usable trade channel and a party search function for trading. There is really no excuse for trading nor spamming in the general channel .... this is great news if ANet stepped up and decide to enforce their own rules.

Best news I heard in a long time.

As the saying goes, 'If ignorance is bliss, then you must be orgasmic'. Read the rest of the thread before commenting, please.

Tannim · May 18, 2007, 01:24 AM // 01:24

Since I was responding to the first post ... as common and expected everywhere on the net that host a forum .... Does this forum have different expectations then normal?

To quote and reply to those who do not follow common flow ...

Post #1

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Originally Posted by PyrAnkh

Is this new? I going to DoA from kaineng, and i passed kamadan. I needed a +30 for spear for a while, so i figured id go like BUYING +30hp for spear in every city i would pass. So i was in kamadan, and i entered it a few times and boom, i disconnected.

Emphasis mine. He admits to spamming.

Post #14

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Originally Posted by PyrAnkh

Well i used all chat. I was just skipping tru towns hoping for somebody to PM me. I contacted customer support, but no answers yet. Personally i think its pathetic to ban people for THREE days because of this. I mean, if you change the code, please drop a warning before you wtfban people.

Emphasis mine. He admits yet again ... *sigh*

Post #92

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Originally Posted by PyrAnkh

I highly doubt that seeing as that is exactly what i did. I dont see why people post DESERVED BAN!!!oneone. I mean, cmon, 2 lines each city i attend on my way to kamadan can hardly justify a ban for spamming.
I totally agree on banning people spamming their WTS stuff for hours on an end though.

He gets a little bit more specific. Claiming 2 lines, in the non-trade channel ... hmmm ... have you read this thread at all?

Post #125

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Originally Posted by PyrAnkh

Let me give you a report about how it went.

I send in report with details and a lot of question marks.
Couple emails follow about details, my account name and serial key etc.

In the end, i get a mail with roughly the following (i wont copy it):
After reviewing logs we concluded that you are rightfully banned for
-spamming

Bla bla bla EULA link bla bla bla.

Regards bla bla.

First of all, i have to say that the customer support is really fast. Good work. But apart from that, i think its PATHETIC that i get banned for a couple lines in each city. I dont know how their logs register stuff, but it better include location, cuz this isnt really cool. I think i said it 2 times in kaineng and maybe 5 in kamadan. I was done in kamadan and about to maptravel to DoA when i got wtfbanned.
Conclusion: massive banning and complaining wont help. Sit the 72 hours out and merch all your stuff cuz youre not allowed to sell anymore.

Emphasis mine. He went through customer service, and they reiterated the agreement that he AGREED to and kept the ban. Now he comes in here complaining because he wants to back out of the agreement. The solution is simple ... if you don't like what you agreed to, then quit. It's simple. Here's a definition, in case you missed it ... http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/agreement

Screenshot posted in post #132, except it is not showing at the time of this post. Ref: http://img503.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spamav4.jpg

Post #142 mentions he was unbanned, congrats. Lets hope he learned his lessons and stick with his side of the agreement.

Post #197 mentioned no warning before banned .... ouch

The above are pretty much all the posts he made in this thread, since you missed them.

It is unfortunate that the ban was probably gm made and not automated as there are still children spamming in many cities.

It's really weird. I have seen you replied a few times in this thread, but all of a sudden, you forgot what the guy actually posted when you read my post? Funny how people are like that sometimes.

After seeing how you are serious in your ignorance, I rather educate you then celebrate your ignorance. Please read his posts, I even listed the post numbers for you.

If you want to insult someone, at least check your ignorance at the door first.

fenix · May 18, 2007, 01:36 AM // 01:36

lol, so you've read through. Maybe next time post in a more educated manner. Your post was clearly derived from a view that spammers/traders are bad, so should be banned. If you read through the posts and saw the opinions other traders have about this issue, you wouldn't have seemed like an ignorant fool. kthx.

Tannim · May 18, 2007, 01:42 AM // 01:42

Congratulations, you read part of my posts this time, and some of the thread before posting. For that, I thank you and hope you will do the same, the next time you are on the forums.

Now for the parts you missed. If you completely read my posts, you would see that my view clearly derived from a view that spammers are bad. Not traders. Since I've read through the thread twice now, I have noticed that there are two sides to traders, some who believe spamming (aka, breaking the EULA) is bad, while others just don't care.

I cannot speak for others. But I rather have quality play time. Rather then playing with kiddies who spam various channels. But that's probably just me ...

fenix · May 18, 2007, 01:48 AM // 01:48

I've read this thread over and over, since there was 2 posts in it. There have been only a few 'spammers', but the others have just been people who sell items. Clearly this issue affects people who sell, as they have the chance of being banned for something that has existed for the past 2 years. I replied to your post as I did because your post is highly negative, and simply saying "hooray, ban them for longer" will not advance this thread in any way.

Tannim · May 18, 2007, 01:51 AM // 01:51

Excellent point. But with the replies of people saying, ... finally one banned, 1000 more to go

I do not want to effect traders. But in every single town I have been to ... minus Piken Square (near thurs. night), there are more spammers then real traders ... Though there are definately gems/real traders in there ...